Talk:Joan Jett

Second Infobox ?

Joe Vitale 5 WTF is this. That looked like crap. (sorry but it does) Mlpearc (open channel) 12:54, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

It's used if the person has more than one profession... She's a singer and actress. Look up Roger Daltrey and Paul McCartney they have it too. Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 12:58, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Jett is a Musical artist first a foremost (hence the name of the infobox) the occupation parameter is used for other professions. Mlpearc (open channel) 13:11, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

I have to support Mlpearc on the restoration of data. I think Joe Vitale 5 has been doing a great job of cleaning up the article, and chasing down issues, but the large scale demolition of the article content was not appropriate. I look forward to seeing how it can be re-organized to reflect her role as an actress as well as a musician, but not the discarding of the data, which represents years of work by Wikipedia users to refine the article. I agree with Mlpearc that Joan Jett is primarily a musical artist. Joe Vitale 5 suggested looking at Roger Daltrey and Paul McCartney for examples, but their information boxes both also start with Musical artist, so their article acknowledges the primacy of their musical works in their careers, which supports Mlpearc's argument more that Joe Vitale 5. Mburrell (talk) 21:13, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

@Mburrell: Just a FYI, I changed the infoboxes on Roger Daltrey and Paul McCartney just after Joe Vitale 5 post. Mlpearc (open channel) 00:43, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Is this also the Blackhearts article ?

@Mburrell: I have started the discussion for you, in regards to this edit. Forgot to ping @Binksternet:. Mlpearc (open channel) 22:28, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

I have to believe that this article is also the Blackhearts article. There are two re-direct pages, one is Joan Jett and the Blackhearts, which was created in July 2005 and has always re-directed back to the the Joan Jett article, and in 2010 was changed to re-direct to the paragraph Joan Jett#Joan Jett and the Blackhearts. The other re-direct page is The Blackhearts, which was created in July 2006, and has always re-directed back to the Joan Jett article, and in 2011 was changed to re-direct to the Joan Jett and the Blackhearts paragraph in the Joan Jett article.

This means that no attempt has ever been done to create a separate article for the backing band, perhaps because the band is not considered to be notable enough on its own to have an article, as it is only a group of supporting musicians backing Joan Jett.

The way that I read this is that the paragraph within the Joan Jett article is the only article there is for the band, and therefore, any information for or about the band should be supplied within this paragraph. It can be argued that there is enough information about the band that it deserves its own article, but until a separate article is created, the paragraph about the Blackhearts within the Joan Jett article remains the only place for the information about the band.

Information about the band could be deleted under the argument that the band is not notable, so expanding the article is not an improvement to Wikipedia. Another argument for paring back the information could be that some of the recent information that has been added is not supported by citations, but a spot check of band members to band personnel involved in the album creations as a snap shot in time seems to match. But the argument that this is not a Blackheart article seems challengeable, and as Mlpearc so rightly did, should be brought to the talk page for discussion. Mburrell (talk) 22:59, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Additional support for the Joan Jett article being the Blackhearts article: Looking up the support musician's wiki-pages, they refer to the Joan Jett page, or the Joan Jett and the Blackhearts re-direct page. Some just say they are part of the backing band for Joan Jett (Kasim Sulton, Sami Yaffa), but others list Joan Jett & the Blackheart, either with an internal redirect to the Joan Jett page (Thommy Price, Tony "Bruno" Rey, Ricky Byrd), or passing the buck directly to the Joan Jett & the Blackhearts redirect page (Kenny Aaronson, Acey Slade). In fact, the Ricky Byrd page is entirely a re-direct to the Joan Jett page and Blackhearts paragraph, which supports the idea that the Joan Jett article is also the Blackhearts article. Mburrell (talk) 18:52, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

For uniformity's sake, somebody ought to suggest that the Alice Cooper (band) be folded into the Alice Cooper biography in the same way we see here with Blackhearts and Joan Jett. Binksternet (talk) 23:21, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Different case entirely. Alice Cooper (band) was a notable band in it's own right, and the lead singer during the start of the band carried a different name, Vincent Furnier, I think (I know he was Vincent Furnier, just don't know when he changed his name, the article is vague on that point). Alice Cooper the band released seven albums as a band, with four platinum records. Vincent Furnier somewhere in that run changed his name to Alice Cooper, and when the band broke up he was able to legally keep performing under the name that used to belong to the band, which was an incredible legal steal. It would be like if Mick Fleetwood changed his name to Fleetwood Mac, except of course that band just won't break up. Must be strong nuclear forces holding that one together. But, if they did break up, and Mick Fleetwood under the new personal name of Fleetwood Mac kept releasing albums, there would be a separate article for the band and for the individual. In the case of Joan Jett, there is the band The Runaways, which has a separate article, and then after that, it is always Joan Jett and a backing band. A better set of choices and examples would be Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band, Bob Seger and the Bob Seger#The Silver Bullet Band, and Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers. The E Street Band have a separate article, despite never releasing their own work. The Silver Bullet Band is only a paragraph under Bob Seger. Tom Petty has his own article, but the Heartbreakers have an article that is not quite stand-alone, but part of a separate entity consisting of the singer and the band. This means that Wikipedia is flexible and can handle multiple variations. Personally, I don't thing the Blackhearts are notable enough to have a separate article, and I don't think there is enough difference between Joan Jett's solo work and her work with the band to justify a Joan Jett & the Blackhearts article, so in my opinion that leaves just the paragraph under Joan Jett. Now, I know that is just one person's opinion, but at this point this is what we are discussing, how to handle the Blackhearts. Mburrell (talk) 04:37, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to respond. You laid out some good thinking. Binksternet (talk) 05:30, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

Genres

Joan Jett is currently not associated with rock and roll, presumably because her sound is hard rock and the song "I Love Rock 'n' Roll" doesn't have the the roll to qualify it as an R&R song, which I understand. But it can also be argued that over the course of her career she did cover much ground in the retro R&R department (Louie Louie, I Need Someone, etc.). I have no problem leaving it at rock/hard rock, but I figured it might as well be talked about. YouCanDoBetter (talk) 07:03, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

The statement on the other side of this page is false

The article says, right at the top:

"Joan Marie Larkin was born on September 22, 1958, to James and Dorothy Larkin,[1] at Lankenau Hospital in Wynnewood, Pennsylvania, a suburb of Philadelphia (although some sources list her birth date as September 22, 1960, which is incorrect[12])" Then the same article says, in the background information section, right under her picture, September 22 1058. So this article is one of the incorrect sources! 47.37.178.124 (talk) 07:39, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

The only confusion I see is from the above comment on the talk page. A search of the Joan Jett article finds no mention of Ms. Jett being born in 1058, one thousand and sixty-one years ago. That would qualify her for the Guinness Book of World Records. However, the article about Ms. Jett is consistent in stating she was born on September 22, 1958, so the article is not incorrect. It takes one birth date and stays consistent with it. Finally, the article of Ms. Jett is not a source, it is a collection of data from sources, and presents itself as a sourced encyclopedia article.

Basically, I am unsure what point the user at URL 47.37.178.124 is trying to make. Mburrell (talk) 21:02, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Can you say 'typo'? THX1136 (talk) 20:49, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Adding a row to timeline corrupts legend

In revision: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joan_Jett&oldid=999243134 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joan_Jett&type=revision&diff=999243134&oldid=999242838 I attempted to add bassist Sean Koos to the band member timeline.

Adding the date lines for his tenure as bassist and background vocalist caused the legend to become corrupted (showing extra "bass" and "backing vocals" legend entries with mixed colors). It was visible in the preview, but I attempted a publish to verify that the corruption would also be present there. It was, so I reverted the change.

I typed the added lines manually, but was very careful to match the existing format. This is my first time editing a timeline on Wikipedia, so I suspect I'm editing incorrectly. Does anybody recognize what I'm doing wrong? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by NedGladstone (talk • contribs) 05:29, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Played with timeline image parameters, found that increasing imagesize fixed the problem. I don't know where you got the dates from, or many of the other players who are listed. If you have a source for the dates for Sean Koos, please link to it, at the very least in the this section of the talk page. I don't think a link in the timeline would be good, but maybe next to his name in the infobox. What is your source for knowing 1993 to 2002? Thanks. Mburrell (talk) 06:42, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

I got the dates directly from Sean Koos in a Facebook Messenger conversation. I have tried to find a citable source, but haven't succeeded so far. When/if I locate one, I will add a citation. As you mentioned, there's a general lack of citations for the bandmember history, so I felt it would be better to include the information we have while searching for something published. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.120.7.24 (talk) 03:23, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

hit song

is cherry bomb really a hit song? is it more accurately an influential song or important song in the development of LA punk, girl groups and Joan jett?Scranton (talk) 01:17, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Per Cherry Bomb (The Runaways song), the song ranked in a couple of charts at the time of release, and ranked in a overall evaluation chart. It might be a minor hit compared to a Beatles song, but it does seem to meet a definition of a hit song. I would say yes, it is a hit song. It is also an influential song. Mburrell (talk) 01:39, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Peak position 57 in Australia constitutes a hit? Does the community have a definition?Scranton (talk) 12:34, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Influential no doubt! Scranton (talk) 12:34, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Huh?

"After the brief tenure of singer and bass guitarist Micki Steele, Jackie Fox, Lita Ford, and Cherie Currie soon joined to complete the band, creating the classic lineup." So who left, who stayed? The way the sentence is structured this information is not clear. I'll do an edit. If it remains accurate, good and well. If not, someone can revert it. THX1136 (talk) 16:47, 5 January 2024 (UTC)